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 Post subject: Re: 2017 Armenia Dual Sport
PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 6:06 pm 
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ScottGreer wrote:
What makes a bike a true DS bike?


My view is any bike that is equipped to tackle off road trails and paths and is legal to ride on the street; i.e. “dual sport”. So IMO that can be anything from an enduro bike with a dual sport kit, licensed & insured, to small adventure bikes like CR500’s XR-L.

Ob1’s DRZ400S is a perfect example of a classic dual sport. Street legal from Suzuki, but in the hands of a rider better than me it is capable of completing a national enduro. A DRZ was my first dual sport and I rode it at Durhamtown and HP, rode it to work, rode it to Jellico, TN and then rode the TransAm Trail to Oklahoma and rode it home. I replaced that bike with a KTM525EXC, which is also fully street legal. It is a little higher strung than the DRZ but very capable of 300 mile days combining pavement, dirt, and challenging offroad which I do every year out west.

And now my grumpy old dual sporter comment:

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….. Every bike I see on the vids are simply dirt bikes with turn signals and not true dual sport bikes.


At the two organized (AMA) dual sport rides I attended, I saw less than a handful of bikes that even had turnsignals. My bike had turn signals, a horn, brakelights, DOT tires, and was fully street legal. A lot of the other bikes were not close to street legal and had license tags tie wrapped vertically to the rear fender or on a Camelback; ala enduros ten years ago. So, what I saw was basically an enduro without timekeeping and most bikes that wouldn’t pass any kind of DMV inspection in any state (possibly with the exception of Colorado and Vermont0. I also saw the majority of riders going way over the speed limits on the road sections so I didn’t go back.

Here is the picture at the website for the Armenia DS ride. As at the rides I attended, I see more race numbers than turnsignals. Image

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 Post subject: Re: 2017 Armenia Dual Sport
PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 8:22 pm 
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In SC, turn signals are not required.
Brake lights, headlights, license plate and insurance.

Dont see any race numbers myself, but I do see a few Hatfield McCoy stickers.

I should know, that is my website, those are my friends. I'm in that picture.

We work hard to keep obviously illegal bikes out at our event, and other events do as well.
We do this to keep the rides going.
But in the end, the legality of the bike is the responsibility of the rider.
Just as how they operate it is their responsibility.

Frankly, I hope those who bring non-legal bikes or operate bikes illegally get ticketed, and dont come back.
There is only so much a promoter can do.


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 Post subject: Re: 2017 Armenia Dual Sport
PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 8:23 pm 
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Oh, and that picture is not from the Armenia DS.
It is from the now-defunct Bootlegger DS.


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 Post subject: Re: 2017 Armenia Dual Sport
PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 8:49 pm 
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And while I'm at it, I think these extraneous subjects should have their own threads.
The Armenia DS exists solely to help the building fund of a rural church,


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 Post subject: Re: 2017 Armenia Dual Sport
PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 9:15 pm 
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Ob1 wrote:
In SC, turn signals are not required.
Brake lights, headlights, license plate and insurance.

Dont see any race numbers myself, but I do see a few Hatfield McCoy stickers.

I should know, that is my website, those are my friends. I'm in that picture.

We work hard to keep obviously illegal bikes out at our event, and other events do as well.
We do this to keep the rides going.
But in the end, the legality of the bike is the responsibility of the rider.
Just as how they operate it is their responsibility.

Frankly, I hope those who bring non-legal bikes or operate bikes illegally get ticketed, and dont come back.
There is only so much a promoter can do.


Right on Ob1. For Armenia all one has to do is read the "Requirements" section of this year's flyer.

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 Post subject: Re: 2017 Armenia Dual Sport
PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 9:32 pm 
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Ob1 wrote:
And while I'm at it, I think these extraneous subjects should have their own threads.
The Armenia DS exists solely to help the building fund of a rural church,

The good news is the thread stays near the top and is always fresh in the "view new posts" link. ::cheers::

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 Post subject: Re: 2017 Armenia Dual Sport
PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 9:37 pm 
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I'd just assume do that by posting...

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 Post subject: Re: 2017 Armenia Dual Sport
PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:44 pm 
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Well, my original intent was to determine if the carolina rides were user friendly for my xr. Based on the vids and the bikes in the pics, I think the rides and the xr wont mesh. For a TRADITIONAL dual purpose bike, a more open ride would fit the bill. Those rides look more appropriate for a ktm exc 500 or a husky 501.


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 Post subject: Re: 2017 Armenia Dual Sport
PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2017 11:03 pm 
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Your 650 will do OK at Armenia. You might want to use the easy-outs when they are there.
Yeah, it would be less a chore with a lighter, more nimble machine.

Seen a horizontal BMW do it, and they didnt take the easy outs.

They hold a 2 day AHRMA vintage race on the most technical property.
So I've also seen a CB160 with knobbies do it, and Triumph twins and...

Every ride is different. Ask the promoter if your machine is going to be a joy or a problem.


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 Post subject: Re: 2017 Armenia Dual Sport
PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2017 9:56 am 
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Just for further information: The Armenia Ride is all ATV (Honda Rancher type) wide. We use ATV's to lay out the course since we need to carry everything we need to mark/cut trail. What would be technical for an ATV turns out most times to be a piece of cake for a dual sport bike. Yes, one section is rather technical (hills, offcamber etc), but anything that we figure that might give a newbie trouble always has an EZ-out. We want to introduce more riders to the sport of Dual Sporting so we try to cater to not only expert riders but novices as well. That being said, if you have questions call the promoter and ask questions. All the promoters we know do it to promote the sport along with raising funds for charity and welcome questions.
So don't be shy ::up::
By the way the average age last year at Armenia was 48 ::smirk::

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 Post subject: Re: 2017 Armenia Dual Sport
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Thanks for the info. Im a seasoned veteran in motocross and woods racing but I was riding a cr 250/500 when I rode. Im more than capable at any terrain out there but not so sure about the xr. I see why they call them the big red pig now!


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 Post subject: Re: 2017 Armenia Dual Sport
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I rode both the Broxton and Sandlapper DS this year and it was my first time riding both these rides and I must say I had a blast! The course was very well laid out and everyone was very helpful to a newbie such as me especially after I cut my bars down for the Sandlapper. ::smirk:: No more hitting trees lol.

Yes it was mostly single track versus other DS I've done up North but I'm getting better at each time and look forward to riding the Armenia DS on my Husaberg FE250.

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 Post subject: Re: 2017 Armenia Dual Sport
PostPosted: Wed Mar 15, 2017 5:07 am 
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H-gal, here is your Armenia tip...

Only eat 1/2 your lunch, leave the rest for a snack after the ride!
Would have been a good tip for Sandlapper too!


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 Post subject: Re: 2017 Armenia Dual Sport
PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 2:47 pm 
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Important message from Marvin!

" Attention all participants:
Please be sure your bike is equipped with a spark arrestor which is one of the requirements listed on the flyer. The woods are extremely dry and with the low humidity we have a spark arrestor is MANDATORY !
Also, make sure you can meet the other requirements listed on the flyer as well. If you think you cannot meet any of the requirements, we have no problem giving you a full refund.
Tech inspection will be on the starting line as usual. So be prepared.
Thanks for coming to support our fundraiser.
Ye ole grumpy trail boss,
Marvin"


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 Post subject: Re: 2017 Armenia Dual Sport
PostPosted: Mon May 22, 2017 7:47 pm 
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Great ride, Great friends, Great food. Thanks MarvinImage


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